David Stearns: End of season press conference

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[ernie*]

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http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

Check it out later. Thanks

[Ruben Safir]

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http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

Yeah - I heard it. WHat I heard was a commitment to remain a 89 win
team and exciting playoff runs or almost runs. I'll be dead before this
team gets to a WS.


It was impressive to have beaten Philepephia but not impressive enough.
The Dodgers crushed them. But the hardest part is that the minor league
system seems all but bankrupt. He says they will do both, remain a 89
win team and build a farm system. I don't know any team to have done
this. The Braves was closest but even they did a rebuild.

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Post by Ruben Safir

Post by tmp6986
http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

Yeah - I heard it. WHat I heard was a commitment to remain a 89 win
team and exciting playoff runs or almost runs. I'll be dead before this
team gets to a WS.
It was impressive to have beaten Philepephia but not impressive enough.
The Dodgers crushed them. But the hardest part is that the minor league
system seems all but bankrupt. He says they will do both, remain a 89
win team and build a farm system. I don't know any team to have done
this. The Braves was closest but even they did a rebuild.

Rebuilds don't always work either.

At the trade deadline, you wanted them to essentially do a complete tear
down and start a rebuild. In addition to short circuiting the playoff
run they had this year, that would have all but guaranteed that they
wouldn't be able to sign any top level free agents this winter. Those
guys want to join a winner. None are guaranteed now either, but a team
that was 2 wins away from the World Series will certainly have a better
chance.

[Ruben Safir]

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Post by Ruben Safir

Post by tmp6986
http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

Yeah - I heard it. WHat I heard was a commitment to remain a 89 win
team and exciting playoff runs or almost runs. I'll be dead before this
team gets to a WS.
It was impressive to have beaten Philepephia but not impressive enough.
The Dodgers crushed them. But the hardest part is that the minor league
system seems all but bankrupt. He says they will do both, remain a 89
win team and build a farm system. I don't know any team to have done
this. The Braves was closest but even they did a rebuild.

Rebuilds don't always work either.
At the trade deadline, you wanted them to essentially do a complete tear
down and start a rebuild.

Not me.

What I don't like is his stratergy of picking up minor improvements in
the hope of getting into a watered down playoffs and I still don't like
it

Post by tmp6986
In addition to short circuiting the playoff
run they had this year, that would have all but guaranteed that they
wouldn't be able to sign any top level free agents this winter. Those
guys want to join a winner. None are guaranteed now either, but a team
that was 2 wins away from the World Series will certainly have a better
chance.

[Ruben Safir]

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Post by Ruben Safir

Post by tmp6986
http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

Yeah - I heard it. WHat I heard was a commitment to remain a 89 win
team and exciting playoff runs or almost runs. I'll be dead before this
team gets to a WS.
It was impressive to have beaten Philepephia but not impressive enough.
The Dodgers crushed them. But the hardest part is that the minor league
system seems all but bankrupt. He says they will do both, remain a 89
win team and build a farm system. I don't know any team to have done
this. The Braves was closest but even they did a rebuild.

Rebuilds don't always work either.
At the trade deadline, you wanted them to essentially do a complete tear
down and start a rebuild. In addition to short circuiting the playoff
run they had this year, that would have all but guaranteed that they
wouldn't be able to sign any top level free agents this winter. Those
guys want to join a winner. None are guaranteed now either, but a team
that was 2 wins away from the World Series will certainly have a better
chance.

They were only 2 games from WS in a fantacy. They were crushed by a far
better team.

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Post by Ruben Safir

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Post by Ruben Safir

Post by tmp6986
http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

Yeah - I heard it. WHat I heard was a commitment to remain a 89 win
team and exciting playoff runs or almost runs. I'll be dead before this
team gets to a WS.
It was impressive to have beaten Philepephia but not impressive enough.
The Dodgers crushed them. But the hardest part is that the minor league
system seems all but bankrupt. He says they will do both, remain a 89
win team and build a farm system. I don't know any team to have done
this. The Braves was closest but even they did a rebuild.

Rebuilds don't always work either.
At the trade deadline, you wanted them to essentially do a complete tear
down and start a rebuild. In addition to short circuiting the playoff
run they had this year, that would have all but guaranteed that they
wouldn't be able to sign any top level free agents this winter. Those
guys want to join a winner. None are guaranteed now either, but a team
that was 2 wins away from the World Series will certainly have a better
chance.

They were only 2 games from WS in a fantacy. They were crushed by a far
better team.

Well, after reading all these posts where you are expressing your
complete dissatisfaction with the ball club, there's clearly nothing I
could ever say to help!

I hope that some day they can do something to meet your demanding standards.

[Ruben Safir]

Post by tmp6986
Well, after reading all these posts where you are expressing your
complete dissatisfaction with the ball club, there's clearly nothing I
could ever say to help!
I hope that some day they can do something to meet your demanding standards.

FWIW - I was in favored of a complete rebuild after the shifted midseason
last year. Lindor has been amazing, FWIW, as anyone knowss. He is a
single player who is much more than the sum of his parts. If he could
just get past the slow starts. He almost singlehandledly dragged this
team into the championship series. It is an impressive run and I
haven't seen a play like him since Hernandez. His on the field focus is
unmatched.

But what I really disaprove of is a half effort rebuild. I don't want
to root for a team that is designed like the Knicks and Rangers.

[Popping Mad]

In addition to short circuiting the playoff run they had this year,

Right and it would had been the right thing to do.

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In addition to short circuiting the playoff run they had this year,

Right and it would had been the right thing to do.

Nope, absolutely not.

[Popping Mad]

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Post by Popping Mad
Right and it would had been the right thing to do.

Nope, absolutely not.

This attiitude excuses a weak losing effort by the front office and a
plan that garantees they will never build a dynasty.

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Post by Popping Mad
Right and it would had been the right thing to do.

Nope, absolutely not.

This attiitude excuses a weak losing effort by the front office and a
plan that garantees they will never build a dynasty.

Based on where they started after Stearns took over a year ago, I
thought they did a really good job this year. More work needs to be
done, nobody denies that.

[Popping Mad]

Those guys want to join a winner.

Like the Dodgers .... who have a loaded minor league system

https://www.prospects1500.com/top-50-lists/los-angeles-dodgers-top-50-prospects-2024/

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Post by Popping Mad

Those guys want to join a winner.

Like the Dodgers .... who have a loaded minor league system
https://www.prospects1500.com/top-50-lists/los-angeles-dodgers-top-50-prospects-2024/

And like the Mets, who had a successful, winning season - and now have a
new and competent front office, which is intent on building a better
minor league system, but never at the expense of short circuiting a
season when they are in contention.

[Ruben Safir]

Post by tmp6986

Post by Popping Mad

Those guys want to join a winner.

Like the Dodgers .... who have a loaded minor league system
https://www.prospects1500.com/top-50-lists/los-angeles-dodgers-top-50-prospects-2024/

And like the Mets, who had a successful, winning season - and now have a
new and competent front office, which is intent on building a better
minor league system, but never at the expense of short circuiting a
season when they are in contention.

That is a proven way to fail continually. And the minor leagues suck
and it the jury is still not in on Stearns

You are a sucker. You brought into this watered down playoff system.

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Post by Ruben Safir

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Post by Popping Mad

Those guys want to join a winner.

Like the Dodgers .... who have a loaded minor league system
https://www.prospects1500.com/top-50-lists/los-angeles-dodgers-top-50-prospects-2024/

And like the Mets, who had a successful, winning season - and now have a
new and competent front office, which is intent on building a better
minor league system, but never at the expense of short circuiting a
season when they are in contention.

That is a proven way to fail continually. And the minor leagues suck
and it the jury is still not in on Stearns

Nothing is proven.

Post by Ruben Safir
You are a sucker. You brought into this watered down playoff system.

I'll pass on the name calling. I don't agree with you, plain and simple.

[Popping Mad]

Post by tmp6986
And like the Mets, who had a successful, winning season

It was not successful. They wimpered into a weakened playoffs, got hot
and beat the Phillies (which by war might have been the best team in
baseball over the season) and got rightfullly crushed by the superior
Dodgers team without even reaching the WS.

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Post by tmp6986
And like the Mets, who had a successful, winning season

It was not successful. They wimpered into a weakened playoffs, got hot
and beat the Phillies (which by war might have been the best team in
baseball over the season) and got rightfullly crushed by the superior
Dodgers team without even reaching the WS.

You can define it any way you want, but the fans had a great time
rooting for these guys, including me. The team got to the NLCS and then
they lost to a better team. And there were 13 other National League
teams that were home watching that series, and would have loved to be there.

Now they go to work to get better.

[Popping Mad]

Post by tmp6986
You can define it any way you want, but the fans had a great time
rooting for these guys,

What are you talking about? In 1986 the rush hour was stopped because
the Mets and Astros where beating each other to a pump in a 16 inning
classic that halted the city.

There is no where CLOSE to that kind of interest.

[hassMR]

Post by Popping Mad

Post by tmp6986
You can define it any way you want, but the fans had a great time
rooting for these guys,

What are you talking about? In 1986 the rush hour was stopped because
the Mets and Astros where beating each other to a pump in a 16 inning
classic that halted the city.
There is no where CLOSE to that kind of interest.

What are YOU talking about? You think there was no fan interest this
year? Yeah, 40 years ago there was tons of interest, and there WAS tons
of interest this season too. Trolls gonna troll, I guess.

[tmp6986]

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Post by tmp6986
You can define it any way you want, but the fans had a great time
rooting for these guys,

What are you talking about? In 1986 the rush hour was stopped because
the Mets and Astros where beating each other to a pump in a 16 inning
classic that halted the city.
There is no where CLOSE to that kind of interest.

And so what? Am I not supposed to be able to enjoy a baseball season
unless it creates traffic jams at rush hour?

FWIW, I sat in traffic on I95 in CT that day (just like any other day on
I95!) listening to the game on radio, and thinking I'd never get home in
time to see the end of the game. But I did, with a few innings to spare!

But none of that has anything to do with this season, and the fact that
it was a great season to be a Mets fan - for me and many many others.

THAT is what I'm talking about. Shoot me!

[tmp6986]

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Post by tmp6986
You can define it any way you want, but the fans had a great time
rooting for these guys,

What are you talking about? In 1986 the rush hour was stopped because
the Mets and Astros where beating each other to a pump in a 16 inning
classic that halted the city.
There is no where CLOSE to that kind of interest.

And so what? Am I not supposed to be able to enjoy a baseball season
unless it stops rush hour?

FWIW, I sat in traffic on I95 in CT that day (just like any other day on
I95!) listening to the game on radio, and thinking I'd never get home in
time to see the end of the game. But I did, with a few innings to spare!

But none of that has anything to do with this season, and the fact that
it was a great season to be a Mets fan - for me and many many others.

THAT is what I'm talking about. Shoot me!

[Popping Mad]

Post by tmp6986

Post by Popping Mad
There is no where CLOSE to that kind of interest.

And so what? Am I not supposed to be able to enjoy a baseball season
unless it stops rush hour?

Did I say that? No I didn't. What I said is that a watered down
playoff system isn't a target for a team. I want a team with a largely
home grown dynasty and tradition of winning. Not rehabbing endless
retreds off the the FA wire to win 89 games (if you are lucky) and
scrapping into the playoffs with inferior play.

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Post by tmp6986

Post by Popping Mad
There is no where CLOSE to that kind of interest.

And so what? Am I not supposed to be able to enjoy a baseball season
unless it stops rush hour?

Did I say that? No I didn't. What I said is that a watered down
playoff system isn't a target for a team. I want a team with a largely
home grown dynasty and tradition of winning. Not rehabbing endless
retreds off the the FA wire to win 89 games (if you are lucky) and
scrapping into the playoffs with inferior play.

And who said that was their target?

I haven't heard anyone from the Mets say that the 2024 result was their
end goal. But I do think that Stearns did a great job of turning the
losing team he inherited after the 2023 season into a playoff team in
2024. And I call that a success.

They do intend to strengthen the minor league system and develop more of
their own home grown players. I want to see them do that, and that work
has already started with the 2024 draft. But it doesn't happen
overnight. So they also use trades and free agents to build the roster,
like they did last off season.

I don't see a problem with their approach, in fact I like it - at least
so far. Whether this front office will ultimately be successful in
building a perennial winning team (which should be the goal) is
something that we won't know for a while yet.

[Ruben Safir]

Post by tmp6986
http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

BTW - Alverez is not an alllstar young catcher as Sterns described him.
It reamins to be seen if he can even remain as a ML catcher if he hits
like last year.

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Post by Ruben Safir

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http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

BTW - Alverez is not an alllstar young catcher as Sterns described him.
It reamins to be seen if he can even remain as a ML catcher if he hits
like last year.

The jury is still out on him. Next year is still just his age 23 season.

He has the power, and you can't teach that. He works hard at it. The
pitchers like to throw to him.

I'm not sure he'll ever be a perennial All Star either, but something
less than that could still be significantly better than the Mets have
had at catcher for quite a while.

[Ruben Safir]

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Post by Ruben Safir

Post by tmp6986
http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

BTW - Alverez is not an alllstar young catcher as Sterns described him.
It reamins to be seen if he can even remain as a ML catcher if he hits
like last year.

The jury is still out on him. Next year is still just his age 23 season.
He has the power, and you can't teach that. He works hard at it. The
pitchers like to throw to him.
I'm not sure he'll ever be a perennial All Star either, but something
less than that could still be significantly better than the Mets have
had at catcher for quite a while.

Not with a 294 lifetime OBP and I don't know why they didn't use more of
Torrens. The Manager just described him as their young Allstar caliber
catcher and that is just not born out in the facts. 23 years old for a
allstar caliber player is not particularly young.

In the last 2 seasons he lead the league in pass balls. His career
comps with the bat is Darrel Porter. I'm willing to have him on the
team but he is not a number 1 catcher until he actually earns it.

Why the hell can't this team find a catch that can hit with adequate
defense?

The Mets overall catching was -1.8WAR for 25th in MLB and it has been
like that for a long time.

Relief Pitching, DH, and Catching have continued to sink this team. It
used to include 3rd base, but that looks fixed.

[Ruben Safir]

Post by tmp6986
http://youtu.be/EH7nfDowJ08

???We faced a similar task last offseason. We???re going to have to replace innings,??? Stearns said when asked about the rotation. ???Certainly, part of that could potentially be from some of those guys returning or we may look elsewhere. But we???re going to have to add starting pitching. We???re going to have to add multiple starters. We understand that. We went into last offseason with the same need and I think we???ll be able to do it.???



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umm no. They don't need to fill innings... they need to fill innings
with ZEROS against good teams.